In-game fast X

[IppoKO]

I would like the addition of an in-game fast X (macro) like in other dragonica servers. I think it would be a good idea to help standardise X spam whilst also eliminating the need for third party programs.

 

Additionally, as a furie I find it quite annoying that I can not x spam without pushing because I am forced to use a XW macro, this can be really annoying for my team in PVE.

[Archerng]

It's not because other servers have a feature that it means a fast-x macro is a good thing to have, other "servers" are empty for a reason, besides Dragonica Europe beta test serveur had an X macro and it got never ported to the live server for good reasons. Thus I think adding an in-game fast X is a bad idea especially when players are already used to other alternatives.

[IppoKO]

2 minutes ago, Archerng said:

It's not because other servers have a feature that it means a fast-x macro is a good thing to have, other "servers" are empty for a reason, besides Dragonica Europe beta test serveur had an X macro and it got never ported to the live server for good reasons. Thus I think adding an in-game fast X is a bad idea especially when players are already used to other alternatives.

[Archerng]

il y a 1 minute, IppoKO a dit :

Why are you quoting me ? Who is MonkeyPox ???

[mouafr]

Above that "X-spam" may not be the best option for every class, and having such a feature often means the vast majority rely on it and "trap themselves" in bad behaviour

tbh you give the perfect example of such of thing, stating how you are "forced" to XW ... when it is simply not true (not to mention boss are immune to knockback, and in mobs most of the time pushing is actually a good thing)

> anyway on that note, a patch couple of week/month ago increased initial X damage so XW is barely better anyway
--- in any case, just choose what's best for the situation (hence why "one given macro" would be a mistake)

Ps: and yes "being on another server" is no reason for anything ... staff might do it or not, but it is mostly unrelated to what happens elsewhere

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Not to mention a X cancel (spam of 1st X) would just then have people ask for other "included macro" ... like combo to push or something ... 
And be it that or even the basic X-spam ... it varies depending on the AS of the character and the computer itself

Edited June 6, 2022 by mouafr

[Turpin]

the demand of a "fast x" option is justified as long as other player are using macros to rapidly spam the x button. you are free to be actively against a "fast x" option, but then you should also be actively against any sort of (x spam)-macro - instead of telling people how easy they are to set up on forum.

 

just asking myself why forcing people into going the extra route of using autohotkey or keyboard macro, instead of simply adding it to the game, while giving everyone the opportunity to have the same advantage as others. would even things out, no? and whilst i would hate to see people spam x inbetween every stun in pvp, it would be naive to think that no one does it already with macros. if few people have access to it, all should have access to it - and decide themselves whether to use it or not.

[mouafr]

It is not a matter of being "against" (often it is just as the "bad side" of a change make it simply "not worth" ... or at least the people should be able to acknowledge all that a suggestion entail, and not "look the other way" for thing that may be "bad")

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It just wouldn't change much, most people would still benefit from actually getting into basic understanding of "macros" ...

You would just have more people that would never "leap" that step ... and staff time being wasted (especially as an in-game function would be static while we have control over our macro timing and stuff...

To be honest, you cannot say "using a 3rd party program" to be an "extra route" or even anything special ... nowadays
Sure each player will have to "first learn" about it someday, but it is pretty much usefull everywhere (more or less) ... so everybody has to go through it one day or another (or at least "should")

Just like "learning to search on google or something" was at some point in the past (note there are still some people that are completely unexperienced at that)

Anyway point is, a function that help confort isn't necessarily all good ... (even putting aside the technical and time-consuming aspect it may have on the staff)
(you have to weight both the potential advantage, and the disavantages, including the time it take, and the probable repercussion)

I don't really see how "having a macro software" (be it included in keyboard/mouse or otherwise) is such a big deal (as you make it to be)

Sure if a game could have all the possibilities that would be great, but that is simply not possible.

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Since all that appear BS, lets pick one example ... Senti spam X since it is the class where it is everywhere (low gear, high gear, end game, pvp ..etc...) ...where as even Invoker switch to WWWX (or should at least as a lot of people actually remain trapped into "spam X all day every day")

> You need to have your macro press X, sleep a bit, release X, sleep a bit, and loop.

However that "sleep" delay is completely dependant on your character AS, and your game FPS (not to be confused with your screen FPS)

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Of course X-cancel is more "flexible" on delay, but it still applies (for instance whether or not you have enough time to still link a W combo, namely on Destroyer)

And beyond that, some classes (like Senti) do not want such a macro ... so why would the class be left out? (among a good portion of the classes)
(if you cannot forsee how that would most likely bring in complainer if an ingame macro was added ... you are very naive --- eg then asking a macro that do the Senti X spam)

Ps: tbh even the very first post of this topic point XW vs X spam ... (even if I disagree on "how it is brought around" it is still true that it causes "problem/bad sensation" (albeit quite reduced with last change) here and there)

Edited June 6, 2022 by mouafr

[IppoKO]

On 6/6/2022 at 7:53 PM, mouafr said:

It is not a matter of being "against" (often it is just as the "bad side" of a change make it simply "not worth" ... or at least the people should be able to acknowledge all that a suggestion entail, and not "look the other way" for thing that may be "bad")

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It just wouldn't change much, most people would still benefit from actually getting into basic understanding of "macros" ...

You would just have more people that would never "leap" that step ... and staff time being wasted (especially as an in-game function would be static while we have control over our macro timing and stuff...

To be honest, you cannot say "using a 3rd party program" to be an "extra route" or even anything special ... nowadays
Sure each player will have to "first learn" about it someday, but it is pretty much usefull everywhere (more or less) ... so everybody has to go through it one day or another (or at least "should")

Just like "learning to search on google or something" was at some point in the past (note there are still some people that are completely unexperienced at that)

Anyway point is, a function that help confort isn't necessarily all good ... (even putting aside the technical and time-consuming aspect it may have on the staff)
(you have to weight both the potential advantage, and the disavantages, including the time it take, and the probable repercussion)

I don't really see how "having a macro software" (be it included in keyboard/mouse or otherwise) is such a big deal (as you make it to be)

Sure if a game could have all the possibilities that would be great, but that is simply not possible.

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Since all that appear BS, lets pick one example ... Senti spam X since it is the class where it is everywhere (low gear, high gear, end game, pvp ..etc...) ...where as even Invoker switch to WWWX (or should at least as a lot of people actually remain trapped into "spam X all day every day")

> You need to have your macro press X, sleep a bit, release X, sleep a bit, and loop.

However that "sleep" delay is completely dependant on your character AS, and your game FPS (not to be confused with your screen FPS)

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Of course X-cancel is more "flexible" on delay, but it still applies (for instance whether or not you have enough time to still link a W combo, namely on Destroyer)

And beyond that, some classes (like Senti) do not want such a macro ... so why would the class be left out? (among a good portion of the classes)
(if you cannot forsee how that would most likely bring in complainer if an ingame macro was added ... you are very naive --- eg then asking a macro that do the Senti X spam)

Ps: tbh even the very first post of this topic point XW vs X spam ... (even if I disagree on "how it is brought around" it is still true that it causes "problem/bad sensation" (albeit quite reduced with last change) here and there)

Didn't read this but it looks like you were wrong ^^

[mouafr]

Lol, went back for a 9 month old message?

And wrong? I said people would still use macro, and trust me they will
(for instance Twin need XW spam, not simply X so ..)

Beside, most classes need to use combo and will rather have "hold X" that does that instead of cancel 1st X
In the end, it is "convenient" only for magician, summoner and Destroyer (assuming it matches the "taste" of the player with "how fast", and whether you can still chain W combo as easily (like for destroyer "acrobatic"))
> E.g. on Twin that IG macro goes too fast to be able to manually add W in the middle

In addition, even those classes are likely to use macro still, like magician WWWX etc... (or things like opening boxes and stuff)

(its still a nice option to have I suppose, especially for people too lazy to do it themselves, but people will still use their own macro as well --- and I don't really see how using them or not would be such a big deal, so long it doesn't go over the line of "botting")

But anyway, happy to see your love for me is still strong even years after having any interaction xd

[IppoKO]

5 hours ago, mouafr said:

Lol, went back for a 9 month old message?

And wrong? I said people would still use macro, and trust me they will
(for instance Twin need XW spam, not simply X so ..)

Beside, most classes need to use combo and will rather have "hold X" that does that instead of cancel 1st X
In the end, it is "convenient" only for magician, summoner and Destroyer (assuming it matches the "taste" of the player with "how fast", and whether you can still chain W combo as easily (like for destroyer "acrobatic"))
> E.g. on Twin that IG macro goes too fast to be able to manually add W in the middle

In addition, even those classes are likely to use macro still, like magician WWWX etc... (or things like opening boxes and stuff)

(its still a nice option to have I suppose, especially for people too lazy to do it themselves, but people will still use their own macro as well --- and I don't really see how using them or not would be such a big deal, so long it doesn't go over the line of "botting")

But anyway, happy to see your love for me is still strong even years after having any interaction xd

As a pro twin, you are wrong